“If fat acceptance is a safe haven for racism in the name of solidarity and keeping the movement together, then I gotta tell you the truth: we’re doing it wrong. And not just a little wrong. If we are building a fat acceptance that supports racism then we are doing social justice fundamentally wrong on so many levels I cannot even.”—Dear Fat White People: http://www.therotund.com/?p=1242 (via therotund)
how the fuck can you say that a vegan diet is “cruelty free”?
Oh, you must not consider the people who work in the agriculture industry as worthy of your concern. Nevermind.
Nothing is vegan.
^^^^^^what she said
i think if people are aware and concerned about where there food is coming from, then i guess that’s different, right?
nothing is vegan
Again, I agree with this point. Just because something doesn’t contain animal ingredients, doesn’t mean it’s cruelty-free (hell, just because something is labeled cruelty-free doesn’t mean it’s vegan). Unless you grow your own food or know exactly who grew it, harvested, and transported it, there is a high chance you are contributing to human labor abuses, and that issue is every bit as important as nonhuman exploitation. Nothing is 100% cruelty-free or 100% vegan so long as we live in a society that devalues the rights of humans and nonhumans alike.
i totally agree with veganmudblood. HOWEVER. “nothing is vegan” is such a cop-out. That is such an easy way for people to let themselves off the hook and justify not taking steps to reduce the amount of cruelty we support as much as we can.
I know that you must have been extremely turned on upon realizing that the large cheeseless pizza that you were delivering was for a solitary fattie, but next time, try to control yourself. Everyone saw right through your thinly veiled come-ons. “Hot and fresh from the oven”? Look, I’m flattered. But right now, I just really need to get my fat on.
I have people I know in my community who consider themselves abolitionist vegans who keep telling me that I need to soften my position on the police. What I don’t understand (besides the very obvious/basic reasons to take issues with the cops) is how a person can be abolitionist, and yet defend cops who: force horses into riots; make them walk between parked cars and traffic on busy city streets; keep dogs as tools to seek out drugs or contraband that they couldn’t find with their own senses as a way to supersede the need for warrants and fix “lawful” searches; send dogs in as weapons to attack dangerous individuals to keep officers bodies safe by putting dogs bodies in harms way; keep dogs in kennels depriving them of packs, socialization and regular lives; keep horses in metro areas where they cannot run or live natural lives.
The cops force animals to do their dirty work. They treat them as tools, not peers. They prey on peoples emotional attachment to animals to vilify others (see the claim that the bloc threw marbles under the feet of horses at the G20—if the cops were so concerned about the horses safety, why bring them to a riot at all?)
So as much as these people are quick to decry politicians who are in the NDP or other parties because they don’t decry the seal hunt outright, or they take issue with every farmer that uses animals… These same people tell me “there are some good cops” and “you can’t paint them all with the same brush because of a few bad officers” Oh how the forgiveness rains when we talk about cops! But why? Is there anything less despicable about the way cops treat animals? Is there a free pass for officers that no one bothered to tell me about? Can someone let me know when abolitionist suddenly changed to “unless you’re one of those good cops”— because I didn’t get that fucking memo.
Instead of asking me why I have a problem with them, maybe they ought to ask themselves why they don’t have a problem. I don’t arbitrarily have issues with the police as an institution… I’d appreciate not having my opinions belittled by people who ought to know better by now.
In building his case, Singer makes many assertions that he does not support, because they can not be supported.
Singer writes as if impairment itself guarantees that people with disabilities will have fewer opportunities in life. He ignores the fact that many of the barriers people with disabilities face every day are created and sustained by the very society he claims should be allowed to kill them.
He leads readers to believe that if some medical professionals judge the lives of people with disabilities as not worth living, that is indicative of how people with disabilities judge their own lives. In fact, study after study has shown that medical “experts” routinely underestimate the quality of life reported by people with disabilities.
But Singer does not include people with disabilities in the discussion of the quality of their lives. He assumes that non-disabled academics and professionals are better qualified to discuss what it is like to have a disability than disabled people themselves.
Singer suggests that decisions about who is a “person” can be made objectively and with little doubt, by doctors. In fact, doctors routinely underestimate the capacity of people who are judged to be mentally disabled.
In short, a lot of Singer’s “logic” is smoke and mirrors. It has no more basis in fact than the eugenic models of racial superiority and inferiority that were widely held and respected in the first decades of this century.
Why Peter Singer is creepy. And also how speciesism and ableism overlap, and why Peter Singer shouldn’t be championed as a supporter of anyone’s rights (so stop calling him “The father of the animal rights movement,” vegans!). See also:
You should hide behind that fan Karl Lagerfeld, shame on you, for calling Adele ‘a little bit fat’. Who are you? What is the point of saying that? What are you trying to prove? Why are you trying to cut a bitch down? Shame shame shame. Don’t read people as that only leads to being read to and you don’t want to hear that story. You have talked about being bullied, and I am sure you were. I see it, as I was bullied too, and I am disappointed in you, for here you have proven yourself to be quite good at it, and you are the very worst kind – a condescending one.
Adele is nothing less than amazing. She is a true, courageous and rare talent and someone who has captured the attention and the admiration of the world in a seriously short time. She is ALSO a great beauty and tremendously meaningful incandescent wonder. She looks so awesome, her loveliness radiates from her strong and fast spinning interior klieg lights and brightens everything to the degree that it makes even dark, overcast me feel luminous and fierce and worthy. That’s what a light like her does. She lights up our life. She is beaming through the clouds and bringing you the sun. Fuck you if you can’t realize that. Fuck you and your fucking glasses. Take them off for a second and see the goddamn light. Self tanner doesn’t give you no vitamin D. You need sun.
Adele sings and I wish I could sing like that, and I do, in the shower. I wonder if i could look like her. Maybe 20 years ago that could have been me. Maybe I am beautiful after all. Maybe everyone was wrong about me. Maybe I am going to be loved. Maybe I’ll be happy someday. Maybe, yes. Maybe.
It sounds complex because it is terribly complex, but curiously simple and plain. When you see someone you identify with, who has a body that could be your body, and you recognize it on the screen because you remember it from the mirror and you watch them shine and conquer and overcome and overwhelm and startle and take over the world, you think you can do the same. It gives you strength. It’s powerful, indescribably so. A star like her – we haven’t had someone like that for a while. She’s been desperately needed. Where you been all our lives Adele? I am just glad you’re here.
Adele changes the game and all the rules. She makes a generation of women, young and old, want to play. She makes us feel like we could win, we could actually win this time. Finally, we have our eyes on the prize. When she’s on the cover of a magazine, I buy it right then and there. She doesn’t look like the girls who are always on the cover of a magazine. She looks better, and all the more so because she really fucking deserves to be there.
Why are you trying to tarnish that? why are you trying to spit on her success and fame? Its ugly. It’s uncouth and unfair. And I know that you, as you have the kind of face and frame easily run to fat – its familiar as I have the same – I know you’ve struggled. I have felt for you. You know what it feels like to be judged. Why do it? Because you’ve made it to the other side? Is it better there? Aren’t you hungry? I am, just looking at you. I know to be as thin as you are now, you need to control everything that goes into your mouth every second of every minute of every hour of every day. I wish you were as ardent in controlling what came out of it.
I don’t know why we care what you have to say. We don’t have the luxury to starve for fashion. We have to work for a living. We have double shifts. We carry groceries we can barely buy with our meager salaries up many flights of stairs and feed our children and deal with our children being molested and woefully sometimes bury our children and find a way to live through this, being merely children ourselves. We worry through vocal surgery and survive the silence and still go to gigs and keep from getting hit and if we do, successfully cover the bruises with concealer so we can go to school and to the DMV and SXSW and keep our heads up high while being unloved or loved by the wrong ones and hang in the friend zone as we hang our laundry out to dry and run for the bus and fight for the right to marriage while finalizing painful divorces and try amidst all this to keep going and get by.
When you say we are fat, you murder our grace, and we’ve already lost so much to begin with. We’ve already lost everything, except weight. That we gain steadily, along with self hatred, and all you are doing is adding to our burden, pressing down on the scale with the long toe of your fine, elegantly tassled loafer.
We don’t have millions of dollars to perforate our fat with expensive, experimental injections. We don’t have time to be lightheaded and sick with hunger. We can’t afford fasting clinics in the Swiss Alps or a messianic nutritionist or portion controlled meals wrapped up in white linen and enshrouded in Chanel camellias. We have to pay the rent and pay for gas and if eating is some comfort to us in our difficult lives, let it be so. Just let us be. Let us listen to Adele, who is triumphantly one of us and let us enjoy her and feel like her and think we are her for a moment and be safe in her music and in our heads.
To someone like you or me or Adele or anyone really, to be called fat is the gravest insult, and the injury in yours is that you say she has a beautiful face. How many of us have heard the same thing and suffered more for it? Its not a compliment. It’s like saying ‘my, what a fabulous turd.’ Keep your compliments and condescension to yourself. It doesn’t soften what you know in your heart to be a mighty blow.
You consider yourself to be the authority on style, as you are supposedly style personified but what good is style when you have no class? What good is style when you have no humanity? What good is style when you make us want to kill ourselves? We are dying, Karl. Lots of us are already dead.
Don’t bother apologizing, as I am sure your people, your ‘Team Lagerfeld’ is advising you to do. There is no ‘I’ in team, but if there were, there would be a Tim and a Tam and have you had a Tim Tam? You should. They are real good. What you could do instead of offering an empty apology is design for us, all the regular folks in the world, and really go for it. Make clothes that flatter us, make us feel good about ourselves. Make beautiful things that glorify us but won’t bankrupt our bank accounts or our spirit. Do your job, dummy. Be the sartorial equivalent to Adele’s music. I know you have it in you. There is immeasurable genius behind all your idiocy, behind the ridiculous glasses, within the high perimeter of that starched collar.
If you say it isn’t possible, then you are useless. If you say you can’t do it and that it is our own fault that we can’t be thin enough for your vision, then you are a dismal failure, and you’ve always been one and you always will be.
We are sick of only being able to wear your fragrance. It stinks of selfishness and stupidity and lack of effort and frankly, that is beneath you, because honestly, I know you try, just like we try. We are all trying Karl, but I am asking you to try harder. With your prodigious means and power, you could change things for the better, for generations to come. But if you don’t want to now, then you probably won’t ever, which is sad and wasteful of your lavish gifts and a precious opportunity lost. If you want to be that way then flap that fan until you take flight and fill the thin air with your antique birdsong – out of earshot, so we can listen to Adele in peace.
I know he apologized but I still think this is a good piece of writing and truly worth reading. I was a little late responding because I was so angry!! As I wrote, I was crying and clenching and unclenching my jaw and my asshole at the same time. It would have been nice for someone else I guess but unfortunately I was alone. Fashion just hurts my feelings all the time. I love his work, even though it never fits me and I can’t even get my arms in a beautiful white silk sequin pantsuit I have of his I bought on ebay. I keep it and I look at it and I am enraged but I can’t fucking throw it out because it is so nice. I have a bunch of clothes of his like that. It is sick. Ok, I am considering his apology. But he needs to make shit we can actually fucking wear.
Anonymous asked: Hey, I'm vegan and I absolutely adore your blog and the fuck yeah fat vegans page! But I really, REALLY don't appreciate the comparison of getting milk from cows to rape. That really diminishes the experience of being raped. As a victim, it makes really uncomfortable to see vegans using that term.
Hey! I’m so glad you’re a fan. Thanks for following!
We know that comparing the dairy industry to rape is a controversial one, but one that brilliantbitterblue and I (ragn) stand by. I’m a survivor, too, and I do not think it diminishes the experience of rape survivors and victims to compare it to what dairy cows go through en masse every day. As a feminist, I stand in solidarity with cows because the same thinking that oppresses and exploits them oppresses and exploits women. In fact, I feel like it diminishes the experiences of dairy cows by not calling it what it is. I mean, the dairy industry is the one that coined the term “rape rack”, not me. This is something that we strongly believe in and while we may not shy away from talking about it, I will promise to do a better job at posting trigger warnings.
edit: sorry, not sure what happened. when i posted this it went to my personal blog.